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Representative papers are placed where their main evidence lands. + +```mermaid +graph TD + T[Video reasoning: first frame + instruction, draw the solution] --> Q1[Who does the reasoning?] + T --> Q2[What counts as correct?] + T --> Q3[Where does reasoning happen?] + T --> Q4[Can it be taught?] + Q1 --> A1[Prompt rewriters: Thinking with Video, TiViBench] + Q1 --> A2[VLM planning: VChain, CollabVR] + Q1 --> A3[VLM rewards: VLM-as-Teacher] + Q2 --> B1[Outcome vs process: VR-Bench, VIPER, MME-CoF-Pro] + Q2 --> B2[Judge reliability: VBVR-Pro] + Q2 --> B3[Stricter tasks: CLVG-Bench, VGI-Bench, HDR, WROP] + Q3 --> C1[Chain-of-frames: Veo3-ZS] + Q3 --> C2[Chain-of-steps: Demystifying, ChEaP] + Q3 --> C3[Rare self-correction: VGI-Bench] + Q4 --> D1[Synthetic training data: VBVR, VBVR-Pro, OpenCoF] + Q4 --> D2[Realistic inputs help: VIPE] + Q4 --> D3[Fidelity before state: Rubik-Scaling] +``` + +Timeline used in the deck: + +- 2025-09 to 2025-11: zero-shot claims, then the first cracks (papers 1–8). +- 2025-12: same month, opposite conclusions (papers 9–12). +- 2026-02 to 2026-04: training data and mechanism studies (papers 13–17). +- 2026-05 to 2026-07: methods that try to make models reason (papers 18–22). +- 2026-08 to 2026-09: recalibration with stricter benchmarks and controlled studies (papers 23–26). diff --git a/discussions/2026-10-12-yichang-video-reasoning/index.html b/discussions/2026-10-12-yichang-video-reasoning/index.html new file mode 100644 index 0000000..fa71a5c --- /dev/null +++ b/discussions/2026-10-12-yichang-video-reasoning/index.html @@ -0,0 +1,42 @@ + + + + + + + Video Reasoning: One Year of Debate in 26 Papers · CausalVideoGroup + + + + +
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Give a video model a first frame and a text instruction, ask it to draw the solution, and score the result objectively.

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A 39-slide Chinese deck that covers 26 papers in publication order, from the first zero-shot claims (2025-09) to controlled scaling studies (2026-09). Every paper slide shows its key numbers as a chart or a paper figure, and the closing slide answers four questions with links back to the evidence.

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Discussion focus

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The field argued about four things: whether the video model or a language model is doing the reasoning, what counts as a correct answer, whether reasoning happens across frames or across denoising steps, and whether synthetic data can teach it. The deck follows those arguments paper by paper.

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Use ← / → to change slides, O for the overview and N for speaker notes. Click a term marked ▶, or a figure, to open example videos, paper figures and full tables. The talk was given on 2026-10-12 with an earlier draft; this page hosts the completed deck.

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The talk was given on 2026-10-12 using an earlier draft of the deck. This entry publishes the completed version. Discussion outcomes have not yet been recorded.

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视频推理Video Reasoning · 26 篇论文按时间讲

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给视频模型一张首帧图和一段文字指令,让它把解题过程画出来;结果能客观判对错。

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← / → 翻页 · O 总览 · 点带 ▶ 的词或画面看示例 · N 讲稿

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Veo 3 · 不规则迷宫(只给首帧和文字指令)
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开场

这一年在争四件事

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谁在想

视频自己在想,还是语言在替它想?

什么算做对

只看最后一帧,还是看全过程?

想发生在哪

沿着帧展开,还是沿着去噪步展开?

能不能教会

合成数据、方法、规模,各能涨多少?

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按时间讲,最后一页回到这四件事 · 点论文名可跳转
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第 1 篇 · Veo3-ZS · 2025-09 · Google DeepMind

只给首帧和一段文字指令,Veo 3 就能走迷宫

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不训练,只给首帧和一段文字指令:

  • 迷宫:5×5 迷宫 pass@10 78%,Veo 2 只有 14%
  • 对称补全、视觉类比也做得出来
  • 62 个定性任务,分成感知、建模、操作、推理四层

论文的结论:视频模型正在变成通用的视觉基础模型。

7×7 迷宫
不规则迷宫
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arXiv 2509.20328两页共约 2.5 分钟
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第 1 篇 · Veo3-ZS · 2025-09 · Google DeepMind

Chain-of-Frames:答案一帧一帧长出来

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论文的说法:像语言模型的思维链,视频在帧上一步步推出答案(灌水、绕墙)。当时只是类比,没有机理实验。

它埋下的伏笔,后面都会被翻出来:

  • 成绩是 10 次里挑最好(pass@10)
  • 对称补全换个提示词说法,成绩差 40–64 个百分点
  • 作者承认,数独的解很可能来自 Vertex 自带的提示词改写器

论文自己也列了失败案例。第 14 篇会用去噪过程反驳 Chain-of-Frames:跳过去看 →

树形 BFS:水按层灌满每条支路
机器人绕过木墙开进蓝区
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arXiv 2509.20328两页共约 2.5 分钟
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第 2 篇 · VChain · 2025-10

文字计划压不住生成器的物理先验

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另一条路:GPT-4o 推出后果,gpt-image-1 画几张关键帧,再给 Wan2.1-1.3B 每个提示临时训一个 LoRA(流程图)。

只给文字计划,橡皮鸭沉在水下;看到关键帧,鸭子才浮起来。

同一类错:钢球浮在水面。

只给文字计划 ✗ 鸭子沉在水下
VChain ✓ 鸭子浮起、石头沉底
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第 3 篇 · MME-CoF · 2025-10

泼冷水:还不能当独立的零样本推理器

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59 题、6 个闭源模型,Gemini-2.5-Pro 按 5 个维度打 0–4 分(雷达图)。

最强的 Sora-2 平均 1.72 分;指令对齐一项,最高也只有 0.59。

模式回放:画面流畅,题却没按规则做。

按编号连点,连成了天鹅(答案是鸭子)
两条路线同时出发,红点穿楼抄近路
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第 4 篇 · ThinkingWithVideo · 2025-11

Sora-2 在白板上写出答案,功劳是谁的?

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Sora-2 GSM8K 答对 98.9%;目测几何还赢了 GPT-5(40.2 vs 29.7)。

可是:

  • 98.9 读的是音轨里说出的答案,读末帧只有 75.7
  • 在 Wan 2.5 上关掉提示词改写器,GSM8K 78.4 → 0
  • 答对的题里,过程全对的只有 13.91%
  • 26 篇里有 13 篇用了闭源 API,没提 API 自带的改写器(名单)
我们评测自己的模型时,prompt extender 开着还是关着?
Sora-2 在白板上解 GSM8K 应用题
Wan 2.5 同一道题:改写器关 / 开(论文图 16)
关掉改写器
关掉:白板上只有题目
打开改写器
打开:照着改写后的提示词写出 18
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arXiv 2511.04570约 2 分钟
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第 5 篇 · TiViBench · 2025-11

只改提示词、不动权重:两个开源模型分数翻倍

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24 类任务、三档难度、595 题;最强的 Sora 2 生成 1 次就对的只有 27.9%。

VideoTPO:每轮生成 2 段视频,GPT-4o 对比两段、写批评、改写提示词,默认 2 轮;模型权重不动。

  • Wan2.1 8.40% → 18.15%,HunyuanVideo 4.03% → 10.25%,都高于原提示词生成 5 次挑对的(对比图)
  • 例子:23+65=,改写后的提示词没给答案,只加了版式、字体这类要求,就写出了 88
  • 提示词是按模型调的:HunyuanVideo 上调好的提示词给 Wan2.1,涨得很少,有的维度还降

和第 4 篇一起看:那边关掉改写器,Wan 2.5 的 GSM8K 从 78.4 掉到 0;这边换上会看视频的改写器,分数翻倍。

论文图 14:首帧、原提示词,和原提示词生成的两段原提示词:两段都没写出答案
论文图 16:两轮后的提示词,和它生成的新视频(写出 88 ✓)VideoTPO 改写两轮后:写出 88 ✓
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第 6 篇 · Gen-ViRe · 2025-11

批评前人只看画质、只放演示;其实第 1、3 篇更早就量过推理

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它批评两类前人(原文):

  • 已有的视频生成基准(VBench、EvalCrafter 等)只看画质和对齐:“focus primarily on fidelity, alignment”
  • 先驱论文(第 1 篇)只有演示:“provide no systematic measure of reasoning depth”

它自称第一个定量评测,不对:第 1 篇已有 7 个定量任务;第 3 篇 MME-CoF 早 18 天就打过分,它没引。

方法上真正的不同是提示词只给目标、不教步骤(和第 1 篇对比)。“画质好不等于推理强”只是口号,全文没测过画质。

谁先给视频推理打分(arXiv 首版日期)
2025-09-24
第 1 篇 · Veo3-ZS除了 62 个定性任务,还有 7 个定量任务(如迷宫 pass@10 78%)
2025-10-30
第 3 篇 · MME-CoF59 题打分,结论:“还不能当独立的零样本推理器”
2025-11-17
第 6 篇 · Gen-ViRe自称 “the first quantitative assessment”,没引 MME-CoF
11-17~20
同一周TiViBench、VR-Bench、V-ReasonBench 也发了推理基准
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第 7 篇 · VR-Bench · 2025-11

到终点不等于走对路

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7,920 段迷宫视频,“到终点”和“一步不差”分开算:

  • 视频模型零样本:到终点最高 83%(Sora 2),一步不差的最高只有 5.6%
  • 同一道难迷宫:Sora 2 斜穿墙格,Veo 3.1 把迷宫改了;简单迷宫也一样
  • LoRA 后的 Wan-R1:到终点、路径精度 5 类都超过 GPT-5 和 Gemini 2.5 Pro,一步不差只输推箱子
到终点 vs 一步不差(%)
5 类迷宫平均,我按论文表 1 算;VLM 输出一串上下左右,视频模型逐帧跟踪红点
到终点(SR)按最短路线一步不差(EM)
0255075100Sora 2 · 到终点(SR):62.16%62Sora 2 · 按最短路线一步不差(EM):2.24%2Sora 2视频Veo 3.1 pro · 到终点(SR):46.1%46Veo 3.1 pro · 按最短路线一步不差(EM):1.12%1Veo 3.1 pro视频GPT-5 · 到终点(SR):33.32%33GPT-5 · 按最短路线一步不差(EM):17.5%18GPT-5VLMGemini 2.5 Pro · 到终点(SR):18.06%18Gemini 2.5 Pro · 按最短路线一步不差(EM):16.12%16Gemini 2.5 ProVLMWan2.2-5B · 到终点(SR):12.48%12Wan2.2-5B · 按最短路线一步不差(EM):0%0Wan2.2-5B基座Wan-R1 · 到终点(SR):83.04%83Wan-R1 · 按最短路线一步不差(EM):39.72%40Wan-R1基座 + LoRA
Wan2.2-5B 基座 ✗
迷宫视频 LoRA 后 ✓
Sora 2 ✗ 斜穿墙格
Veo 3.1 ✗ 迷宫被改
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arXiv 2511.15065约 1 分钟
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第 8 篇 · V-ReasonBench · 2025-11

只看末帧判分;视频更长,也没解得更好

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13 个任务、4 个维度;6 个闭源模型每题生成 5 段(pass@5),判分只看最后一帧。

  • 论文的理由:答案都画在末帧上;逐帧评“要大量标注、算力太贵,信号还嘈杂”
  • 能用规则就用规则:VLM 裁判会数错网格;和人工判的一致率 97%(一致率)
  • Sora-2 结构化解题 72%,物理只有 26.7%,低于 Hailuo-02 和 Vidu-Q2(各维度成绩)

它还试了让模型“想得更久”:同一道数独,Sora-2 生成 4 秒、8 秒都没解对,两版都改了题面上已给的数字。只有两组例子,没有统计。

它也看到了末帧对、过程错,仍只看末帧,第 12 篇 VIPER就从这里下手;更长为什么不等于想得更久,第 14 篇给了答案。

论文图 6 左半:同一张首帧,生成 4 秒(上)和 8 秒(下)Sora-2 · 同一道数独:生成 4 秒(上)、8 秒(下),都没解对
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第 9 篇 · RULER-Bench · 2025-12

把该发生的现象写进提示,还是画不对

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U 形管加水,液面该齐平。

40 个“预测会发生什么”的任务,最好的 Veo3.1 规则一致性只有 48.87(评分清单、各任务得分)。

再让 GPT-o3 把该发生的结果直接写进提示,重测(5 类平均):

原提示写进结果后
Veo3.162.655.1+7.5
Sora256.745.5+11.2

涨了,但离满分还远。论文的结论:明说会发生什么,模型照样画不对。

Veo3.1 ✓ 两侧齐平
Sora2 ✗ 左高右低
Wan2.5 ✗ 左侧偏高
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第 10–11 篇 · VMEvalKit 和 MMGR · 2025-12

同一个月,结论相反

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VMEvalKitMMGR
结论已经能推理:Sora-2 68%不能:视频迷宫最好 3.67%,数独 0%
迷宫3×33×3 到 13×13
数独只缺一格4×4 和 9×9
怎么判GPT-4o 只看末帧逐帧查像素,条件全满足才算对
题量每类 15 题,每题生成 1 次10 个任务、1,853 题
论文图 7:Veo-3 的失败例MMGR:Veo-3 到了终点,但第 4 帧穿墙、第 5 帧一段墙没了,判错
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第 11 篇 · MMGR · 2025-12 · 接上页

同一道题,视频模型和图像模型各怎么做、谁更强

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输入迷宫
同一张迷宫图
绿块起点,红块终点
喂进去的文字
生成出来
怎么判
视频模型Veo-3 等 3 个

“做一段动画:绿块沿白色通道滑到红块,别碰黑墙”

第 2 帧第 4 帧第 6 帧
一段视频(箭头是论文的标注)

逐帧跟踪绿块
没穿墙、迷宫没变、最后停在红块

图像模型Nano-banana 等 5 个

“用一条连续的蓝线,画出从绿块到红块的路线”

图像模型的输出
一张图

只看这一张
蓝线连通、没碰墙、迷宫没变

图像更强多数题

MMGR 两边都测的 8 个任务,最好的图像模型全部领先:迷宫 9.17 比 3.67,数学 72.69 比 10.61。

视频更强要一步步模拟的题

不规则迷宫:Veo 3 75%,Nano Banana 0%(第 1 篇)。木块滑坡:图像模型画出了两个木块(第 8 篇)。

图像做不了答案是一段运动

MMGR 的物理常识题只测了视频,理由是静态图表示不了随时间展开的因果。

视频比图像多出来的时间维度,到底在什么题上有用?MMGR 的看法:时间维度不会自动帮上忙,反而常在跨帧保持场景、主体、目标不变上出错。
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第 12 篇 · VIPER · 2025-12

只看结果,成功率是看全程的 2 到 4 倍

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红点走错路、墙线都变了,却停在终点:只看末帧会判对。

改成看全程、每一帧都不许违规,同一批视频重判,6 个模型的成功率(%):

只看结果看全程
Sora 247.023.32.0 倍
Veo 3.156.120.32.8 倍
Wan 2.642.618.62.3 倍
Seedance 1.541.19.54.3 倍
Hunyuan 1.527.58.13.4 倍
Wan 2.226.67.73.5 倍

怎么判:GPT-5 每秒看 1 帧,对照每道题的细则(例:转椅题)

VIPER 论文图2:三道题的初始图→过程帧→末帧
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arXiv 2512.24952约 2 分钟
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第 13 篇 · VBVR · 2026-02

第一个百万级训练集:之前的基准几乎只有测试题

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150 个程序生成的抽象任务,按认知心理学分 5 类(感知、变换、空间、抽象、知识);100 个任务各生成 1 万条训练视频,全部规则判分(和人工打分的 Spearman ρ > 0.9)。和前面各篇比(VBVR 表 1):

基准(点名字跳到那一页)任务训练集(条)测试集
Veo3-ZS第 1 篇69
0
2,128
MME-CoF第 3 篇12
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120
VideoThinkBench第 4 篇24
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4,149
TiViBench第 5 篇24
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595
Gen-ViRe第 6 篇24
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72
VR-Bench第 7 篇5
6,336
1,538
V-ReasonBench第 8 篇13
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326
RULER-Bench第 9 篇40
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622
MMGR第 11 篇10
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VBVR150
1,000,000
7,500

VBVR 的原话:这个领域“偏评测”,缺大规模训练集和消融协议,没法做可复现的 scaling 研究。

VBVR 论文图 1
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arXiv 2602.20159两页共约 2.5 分钟
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第 13 篇 · VBVR · 2026-02

合成数据有效,但 20 万条后就不再涨

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用这批数据 LoRA 微调 Wan2.2,在 VBVR-Bench 上的总分随训练条数变化:

0.40.60.81.0原版10 万20 万30 万40 万50 万训练条数人类 0.974Sora 2 0.54620 万条后不再涨VBVR-Wan2.2 总分 · 原版:0.3710.371VBVR-Wan2.2 总分 · 5 万条:0.549VBVR-Wan2.2 总分 · 10 万:0.623VBVR-Wan2.2 总分 · 20 万:0.6890.689VBVR-Wan2.2 总分 · 30 万:0.682VBVR-Wan2.2 总分 · 40 万:0.682VBVR-Wan2.2 总分 · 50 万:0.685━ 微调后 0.685

分开看见过和没见过的任务、换成 LTX-2.3,也都在 20 万条后停住。

另一个观点是“先可控、再推理”:原版模型让北极熊直接翻墙、凭空多出一个碗,场景都保持不住,推理无从谈起。

前半:原版 Wan2.2 ✗ 北极熊翻墙 后半:VBVR 微调 ✓ 沿通道走
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第 14 篇 · Demystifying · 2026-03 · VBVR 同组

推理沿去噪步展开:某一步加噪,分数掉到 0.3 以下

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把每个去噪步预测的成品解码出来看(官方动画):

  • 早期几条路同时试(机器人同时探两条路、几个答案叠在一起),中段定下来,后段只修细节
  • 某一步给所有帧加噪:0.685 掉到 0.3 以下;每一步都给某一帧加噪:只掉到约 0.6
  • 帧也不能太少:约 100 帧降到 17 帧,0.663;只出一帧 0.581
加噪实验(论文图 3b,VBVR-Wan2.2)
论文图 3b

直接反驳第 1 篇的 Chain-of-Frames(示意图)。

作者的官方动画:Chain-of-Frames vs Chain-of-Steps
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第 14 篇 · Demystifying · 2026-03 · VBVR 同组

去噪过程里看到的三种行为

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  • 工作记忆:物体被挡住也还记得
  • 中途改主意:前几步走错,后面改对(第 23 篇:很少见)
  • 先认出目标,再动手

用这些发现做了个不用训练的小改进:3 个种子在第 1 个去噪步把第 20–29 层的特征取平均,0.685 → 0.716。

多种子集成:比原版 0.685 多了多少(VBVR-Bench 总分,论文表 3)
2 个种子
+0.003
3 个(默认)
+0.031
4 个
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5 个
+0.035
6 个
-0.010
推理既然在去噪步上,步数蒸馏会不会把它蒸掉?论文的答案:蒸到 4 步,0.685 掉到 0.605。
把最大的熊移到左边(左:第 0 步预测 右:最终)
物体移出画面再移回
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第 15 篇 · MME-CoF-Pro · 2026-03 · 第 3 篇同组

换成逐步核对:画质最好的 Kling 推理最差,提示只涨几分

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比第 3 篇多了什么:逐步核对

第 3 篇 MME-CoFMME-CoF-Pro
题59 条、12 类303 条、16 类
怎么判Gemini-2.5-Pro 按 5 项通用标准打 0–4 分(指令对齐、画面稳定……)每题一份分步细则(平均 4.6 步),Gemini-2.5-Flash 逐步核对
提示一种写法无提示 / 文字提示 / 画在首帧上
和人打分的 Spearman 相关(10 段视频 × 10 人,论文图 8)
分步细则
+0.61
指令对齐
+0.17
末帧对错
-0.41

同组续作(第 3 篇的作者多数在列)。我的看法:最有用的是把提示做成对照变量;但裁判仍是 VLM,人工验证只有 10 段视频。

画质好,推理不一定好

无提示,16 类平均(论文表 1)
推理分画质均分(5 项)
Veo 3.155.949.5
Veo 3.1 fast55.947.6
Sora 249.960.9
Seedance 1.0 pro35.743.9
Seedance 1.0 fast37.547.4
Kling 2.113.865.1
Cosmos-Predict228.637.8
Kling
Kling:风吹树叶很逼真,镜头没推近 ✗
Veo
Veo 3.1 fast:推近到红色手提包 ✓

Kling 画质均分最高(65.1),推理分最低(13.8)。下排同一条指令:推近拎包的人、看清包的颜色。

提示:文字只涨几分,箭头会被画进去

加提示后推理分变了多少(论文表 1、表 2)
文字提示 · 16 类画在首帧上 · 8 类
Veo 3.1
+4.2
+10.8
Veo 3.1 fast
+3.4
-2.5
Sora 2
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+4.3
Seedance 1.0 pro
+2.6
+0.6
Seedance 1.0 fast
+3.1
+5.5
Kling 2.1
-0.4
+3.1
Cosmos-Predict2
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+6.0
输入
输入:苹果下方画了红箭头
生成
Veo 3.1 生成:箭头被画进画面,还多出一条弯箭头

文字提示涨 2.6–7.9 分,Kling 还降 0.4。画在首帧上的红箭头常被当成画面内容一起画出来。

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第 16 篇 · ChEaP · 2026-03 · Princeton

路线在去噪最初几步就锁定了

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冰湖迷宫(输入):小精灵要绕开冰窟走到礼物。逐步解码去噪预测的成品:第 5 步路线就基本定了。

  • 多撒种子,只去噪 5 步就按路线挑:同样准确率,计算量少 3.3 倍
  • 路线 13 步以上,成功率不到 10%;模型常常干脆把礼物挪过来
  • 从末帧接着生成:10–13 步的迷宫 7% → 67%
按最短路线步数分组的成功率(%,论文图 7)
每个种子都画完先筛种子先筛 + 接力
0255075100短 · 每个种子都画完:65%65短 · 先筛种子:93%93短 · 先筛 + 接力:94%94短≤5 步中 · 每个种子都画完:68%68中 · 先筛种子:85%85中 · 先筛 + 接力:91%91中6–9 步长 · 每个种子都画完:7%7长 · 先筛种子:16%16长 · 先筛 + 接力:67%67长10–13 步超长 · 每个种子都画完:0%0超长 · 先筛种子:2%2超长 · 先筛 + 接力:15%15超长≥14 步

边界:挑种子的打分器知道冰窟和礼物在哪,这是外部给的信息。

同一个种子:每一步去噪预测的成品,解码成视频(Wan2.2-14B,共 40 步)
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第 17 篇 · CLVG-Bench · 2026-04

多轮生成:第一轮不到 10%,第二轮起全部失败

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把文、图、音、视频一起当上下文喂给模型,看它能不能读懂再生成(6 大类 47 子类)。最难的是多轮交互:模型当老师,用户每轮随机答对或答错,模型要接着生成下一段回应视频。

  • Seedance 1.5 / 2.0 第 1 轮不到 10%,第 2、3 轮全部失败,整局 0%
  • 让 Seed 2.0 先整理上下文、写好下一段脚本再生成:每轮约 45–60%,整局 26% / 34%(论文图 4)
  • 单轮的逻辑推理题也一样:VLM 先读懂再改写指令,Seedance 2.0 从 21.3% 到 49.0%(表 4 和例子)

论文自己的结论:外挂 VLM 只是部分补救,视频模型本身的推理还得靠训练提升。

论文图 4(b)(c):上为每轮成功率,下为整局通过率论文图 4:每轮成功率(上)、整局通过率(下)
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第 18 篇 · CollabVR · 2026-05

VLM 当导演,视频模型当演员,一步一检查

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① VLM 只规划下一步
② 视频模型以上一段的末帧为首帧,生成一小段(段内双向生成)
③ VLM 检查这一段:不合格就把诊断写进提示词,从同一帧重新生成,最多 3 次(架构图、一次真实的改写)

  • VBVR-Wan2.2(第 13 篇):单次 0.671 → 0.757;生成量约是单次的 3 倍,比生成 4 个挑最好分更高、生成得更少(分数 × 成本)
  • 改提示词能救回的有限:一半的段第一次就过,14.7% 靠重生成救回,35.9% 3 次都不过(每段的结果)
  • 长程的网格任务、真实的开罐头都有效

和多镜头的分镜规划几乎是同一个框架。涨分来自“视频 + 语言”的组合,视频模型本身原样使用。

预先规划 ✗ 多走一步
边做边规划 ✓ 一步到位
VBVR-Bench 总分 × 每题生成多少秒视频(论文表 2)
模型 VBVR-Wan2.2;“挑最好”由 Gemini 2.5 Pro 从 k 个里挑 1 个;VLM 调用不算成本
0.680.720.760 秒481216只生成 1 个:0.671(3.7 秒)只生成 1 个0.671生成 2 个挑最好:0.694(7.4 秒)生成 2 个挑最好0.694生成 4 个挑最好:0.707(14.8 秒)生成 4 个挑最好0.707CollabVR:0.757(10.91 秒)CollabVR0.757
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第 19 篇 · VLM-as-Teacher · 2026-06 · 港城大 + 快手可灵

三条路:多采样挑最好、VLM 写解法、VLM 当老师

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① 多采样挑最好Naive Scaling

例子第 16 篇只去噪 5 步就按路线挑种子;第 14 篇把 3 个种子在第 1 步去噪时的特征取平均

短板模型自己画不出的解,挑多少次也挑不出来;生成 5 次挑最好,0.666 → 0.683,时间从 14 秒变 70 秒

② VLM 写解法VLM as Solver

例子第 5 篇的 VideoTPO看视频改写提示词;第 18 篇CollabVR 规划每一步、检查每一段

短板解题路径很难用文字写清;方案写对了,视频模型也常常画不出来。VideoTPO 0.666 → 0.634(57 秒)

③ VLM 当老师VLM as Teacher · 本文

长处每道题现场出专属的检查题,什么任务都能用(换成通用检查题只有 0.712);梯度直接改模型,能超出它原有的能力

0.666 → 0.781,69 秒(成本 × 分数、真实视频)

论文图 1论文图 1 · 右边小图:横轴每题耗时(秒),纵轴 VBVR-Bench 总分
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第 19 篇 · VLM-as-Teacher · 2026-06 · 港城大 + 快手可灵

小 VLM 现场出是非题当奖励,逐题训一个 LoRA

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4B 的 VLM 读首帧和提示词,写 1 道终点题和 1–3 道过程题。视频模型每更新一次,VLM 看 24 帧作答,答“是”的概率当奖励,梯度只更新 LoRA(方法图)。

  • 只给第 1 个去噪步的预测打分:大方向在去噪最初几步就定了(第 14 篇、第 16 篇);只优化最后一步只有 0.705
  • 两类题缺一不可:完整 0.781,只用终点题 0.758,只用过程题 0.692
  • RULER(第 9 篇):46.4 → 68.2,高于 Veo 3.1 的 65.0(RULER 成绩)
比不优化的基线 0.666 多了多少(VBVR-Bench 总分,论文表 3)
完整(默认)
+0.115
只用终点题
+0.092
只优化最后一步
+0.039
只用过程题
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平均优化 16 步、每题约 69 秒。剩下的错多半是 VLM 没看出违规,论文认为瓶颈在老师的眼力。

Kling 2.6 ✗
Wan2.2-5B 基线 ✗
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第 20 篇 · OpenCoF · 2026-07

数据微调、再加推理 token:VIPER 看全程的成功率 3.3% → 8.8%

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在1.7 万条推理视频(11 类任务)上给 Wan2.2 做 LoRA 微调,再试两种可学习的推理 token(论文图 7)。

按VIPER(第 12 篇)看全程判分:每秒抽 1 帧,至少一帧达成题目要求、且每一帧都不违反过程规则,才算对(例:迷宫里红点走到了终点,但墙线中途变了,判错)。这样判,Sora 2 是 23.3%,只看结果是 47.0%。

原版的 3.3% 是 OpenCoF 自己跑的,VIPER 原文的 Wan 2.2 是 7.7%;推理 token 版训 5 轮,纯微调只训 2 轮。符号类(白板上写解题步骤)四版都是 0(分领域、四个基准)。

① 原版冻结
Wan2.2-I2V-A14B,不训练
交叉注意力视频 token 看文字 tokenDiT 块 × N自注意力视频 token 互相看文字 tokenK、V视频 token
3.3%MME-CoF 1.00 · Gen-ViRe 0.304 · RULER 55.8
② 数据微调LoRA 微调
在 1.7 万条推理视频上训 2 轮
交叉注意力视频 token 看文字 tokenDiT 块 × N自注意力视频 token 互相看文字 tokenK、V视频 token
7.5%MME-CoF 1.30 · Gen-ViRe 0.391 · RULER 56.8
③ + 视觉推理 tokenLoRA 微调
16 个,接在视频 token 前;训 5 轮
交叉注意力视频 token 看文字 tokenDiT 块 × N自注意力视频 token + 推理 token 互相看文字 tokenK、V视频 token
8.2%MME-CoF 1.34 · Gen-ViRe 0.441 · RULER 59.6
④ + 文字推理 tokenLoRA 微调
16 个,接在文字 token 前;训 5 轮
交叉注意力视频 token 看文字 token + 推理 tokenDiT 块 × N自注意力视频 token 互相看文字 tokenK、V视频 token
8.8%MME-CoF 1.35 · Gen-ViRe 0.406 · RULER 57.7
文字 token视频 token视觉推理 token文字推理 token训练的参数大字:VIPER 看全程的成功率 小字:另外三个基准(满分 4 / 1 / 100) 文字编码器和 VAE 四版都冻结
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第 21 篇 · HDR · 2026-07 · 北大等 · 本 PPT 第一篇自回归

换成自回归:每段等待 37.9 秒 → 0.7 秒,成功率 60% → 34%

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前面各篇测的、训的基本都是双向扩散模型(HDR 的原话)。HDR 第一次在自回归(流式)生成上做视频推理:从左往右一段段生成,每段只看已经生成的部分,生成完就能播。

双向扩散自回归(流式)
怎么生成一整段一起去噪,每一步所有帧互相看一段接一段,每段只看前面已生成的
好处去噪结束前,每一帧都还能改;第 14 篇:推理就发生在去噪步之间生成完一段就能播,缓存复用;可以一直往下生成(第 16 篇只能手动从末帧接力);适合机器人实时闭环
坏处每一步都要算整段:慢,长度固定画出来就定了,前面错了后面只能接着错
同模型同数据成功率 60.0%;每段等 37.9 秒成功率 34.2%;每段等 0.72 秒(耗时)

同一个 Wan2.2-5B、同样 1.8 万条视频训练,自回归输得最多的是迷宫:90% → 12%(6 个任务分开看)。典型错法是在岔路口过早选定方向,或者东西画着画着没了(论文图 4 和 11)。

论文图 1论文图 1:双向、自回归扩散、逐 token 自回归、HDR
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arXiv 2607.15278三页共约 3 分钟
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第 21 篇 · HDR · 接上页

片长和前作一样约 8 秒,但每段要走 9–24 步,步步合规才算对

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为什么自建(第 4.1 节原话):已有基准不太适合评流式的多步生成,很多没放出完整评测脚本,大多看短片段、画面连贯,不看多步逻辑。

每段视频多长
Veo3-ZS第 1 篇 · Veo 3 输出
8 秒
VR-Bench第 7 篇 · 标准答案
8 秒
OpenCoF第 20 篇 · 训练视频
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HDR125 帧 · 16 fps
7.8 秒
一段要走几步
灰色是前作;绿色是 HDR 项目页的 6 个示例,我逐帧数的
象棋一步杀第 10、12、20 篇
1 步
数独只缺 1 格第 10 篇
1 步
迷宫 3×3第 10 篇
最多 8 步
一笔画
9 步
倒水
倒 10 次
滑块拼图 3×3
11 步
推箱子
12 步
汉诺塔 5 个盘
22 步
迷宫 9×9
24 步

片长没变(题都是 125 帧);变的是步数:脚本逐帧检查,每一步都合规、最后完成才算对(出题和判分)。一步错就回不去,正好考自回归“画完就定了”的弱点。

前作也有大迷宫(各篇迷宫大小)。不训练的 Wan2.6 在这套题上只有 2.16%,Veo 是 0(闭源模型)。

汉诺塔 5 个盘:22 步
迷宫 9×9:24 步
滑块拼图 3×3:11 步
倒水:倒 10 次
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第 21 篇 · HDR · 接上页

先粗后细地去噪:流式也追平双向,60.3% vs 60.0%

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做法:把 32 个 latent 排成 6 层的树(1、2、4、8、16、32 个),先生成粗层、再一层层细化,最细一层流式输出;粗层只去噪 5 步、最细层 50 步,故意留着噪声,好同时保留几种走法(结构图)。

  • 层数 1 → 6:34.2% → 60.3%;第 4 层那一跳最大(40.1% → 59.2%)
  • 去噪只给 1 步:HDR 34.7%,双向 17.8%;训练数据只用 2%:HDR 50.0%,双向 31.2%(两组消融)
  • 代价:开始输出前要先预填充 16.2 秒(自回归 2.4 秒);剩下的错多在最后几帧:墙消失、颜色并了(失败例)

60.3% 对 60.0% 是平均出来的:迷宫、推箱子、一笔画仍低于双向,汉诺塔、倒水高于双向(分任务)。

论文图 10:L1、L2、L3 和最终输出论文图 10:L1 只有 1 个 latent,概括整段;越往下越细,最右是最终输出
成功率(%)× 层数(论文图 5、附录表 9)
绿线:HDR 6 项平均;1 层就是自回归基线;虚线:双向扩散
2040601 层23456 层双向 60.0HDR 6 项平均 · 1 层:34.234.2HDR 6 项平均 · 2:38.438.4HDR 6 项平均 · 3:40.140.1HDR 6 项平均 · 4:59.259.2HDR 6 项平均 · 5:60.3HDR 6 项平均 · 6 层:60.360.3
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第 22 篇 · VIPE · 2026-07 · Google DeepMind

同一团队的后续:首帧改写实,Veo 3.1 物理三选一 41.3% → 59.3%

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改了三样:首帧、提示词、判分器

VPCT 第 005 题:球落进哪个桶(三选一)
原线条图
原线条图
写实版
写实版
对照
对照:立体不写实
提示词原版:“…ends up in one of the three containers”;写实版:“…finally drops to the ground. Apart from the red ball, the scene and wooden boards remain static”

球沿板子滚,落进三个桶之一,瞎猜 33.3%。写实版提示词加了“只有红球动、木板不动”,判分器改成追踪红球。

Veo 3.1:41.3% → 59.3%

正确率(%,论文图 2;虚线是瞎猜 33.3%)
原线条图立体但不写实(对照)写实(VIPE)
010203040506070Wan2.2 TI2V(英文) · 原线条图:32.4%32.4Wan2.2 TI2V(英文) · 立体但不写实(对照):35%35.0Wan2.2 TI2V(英文) · 写实(VIPE):42.3%42.3Wan2.2 TI2V(英文)Veo 3.1 · 原线条图:41.3%41.3Veo 3.1 · 立体但不写实(对照):44%44.0Veo 3.1 · 写实(VIPE):59.3%59.3Veo 3.1Omni Flash · 原线条图:56.3%56.3Omni Flash · 立体但不写实(对照):64.5%64.5Omni Flash · 写实(VIPE):67.5%67.5Omni Flash

同样换了新提示词、只是纹理不写实的对照组 44.0。Omni Flash 56.3 → 67.5,对照组也有 64.5;Wan2.2 各设置都在 32–44。

比多生成几次划算

每题生成 1~20 次,多数票(论文图 4,Veo 3.1)
论文图 4

原图生成 20 次投票 50.0%,写实图生成 1 次就 59.3%,再投票到 68.0%。Veo 3.1 一段 8 秒 3.2 美元。

同一团队的后续(和第 1 篇有 6 位作者重叠):第 1 篇原文就说成绩只是能力的“下限”,VIPE 用实验量了出来。换成自动改图,第 1 篇自己的迷宫错误率只降 2.6–18.4%;项目页的单题演示:工厂钢管滑道、迷宫、同色连线、挪车。

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第 23 篇 · VGI-Bench · 2026-08

写实输入、看全过程:最强的 Seedance 2.0 只全对 14%,人类 97%

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题:写实照片,要一步步做

27 个任务的示例输入(论文图 1)
VGI-Bench 27 个写实任务

4 个领域(视觉组织、时空动态、结构化谜题、物理操作),每题分易、中、难。只收要走合法中间步骤的题:迷宫、汉诺塔的终点好查,但视频得一步步走到(同一迷宫换成线条画)。

结果:最强的也只全对 14%

严格成功率(%)
完成度和细则分都满分才算 · 论文表 12 总分
人类(看图作答,只判对错)闭源开源VBVR 微调的开源模型
人类
97.1
Seedance 2.0
14.0
MiniMax-H3
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VBVR-Wan2.2
11.0
Kling 3.0
9.5
Sora 2
6.2
Veo 3.1
5.3
Wan2.2(原版)
2.3
HunyuanVideo-1.5
1.0

VLM 裁判看整段视频:完成度 × 细则分,细则查有没有违规(小车翻墙、一次挪两片)。两项都满分才算严格成功(同一迷宫三个模型的得分)。

合成数据:越像训练题,涨得越多

按题和 VBVR 训练题的结构像不像分组(平均分,论文表 5)
Wan2.2 原版VBVR 微调(100 万条抽象合成数据)
0204060结构相同 · Wan2.2 原版:15.315.3结构相同 · VBVR 微调(100 万条抽象合成数据):55.855.8结构相同如迷宫部分相同 · Wan2.2 原版:17.817.8部分相同 · VBVR 微调(100 万条抽象合成数据):34.934.9部分相同不同 · Wan2.2 原版:29.229.2不同 · VBVR 微调(100 万条抽象合成数据):35.435.4不同如 3D 想象

第 13 篇 VBVR 的模型拿到写实题上:结构相同 +40.5,部分相同 +17.1,不同 +6.2。另外两个 VBVR 模型也是这个顺序,Wan2.1 在“不同”组还掉了 3.6。

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第 23 篇 · VGI-Bench · 接上页

去噪中途“错改成对”:702 对里只有 2 对,第 4 步以后一次都没有

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第 14 篇说推理沿去噪步展开,还能中途纠错。VGI-Bench 去数这件事有多常见:4 个开源模型(Wan2.2、VBVR-Wan2.2、HunyuanVideo-1.5、LTX-2.3),默认 40 步,把第 1、2、3、4、10、20、40 步预测的成品各解码成视频,相邻两档人工比一比、标一个标签;117 个样本 × 6 段 = 702 对。

第 14 篇:举了几个改对的例子

第 14 篇图 4(c):预测小球反弹的落点
Demystifying 图 4 (c)
每行是某一步解码出的 5 帧,最下一行是最终输出;绿框里的落点从 4 个候选收敛成 1 个

原文说模型能走错了能在中途改回来;例子都在前几步,没统计有多常见。

VGI-Bench:错改成对最多 0.9%

相邻两档之间,解法状态怎么变(每行 117 对,%)
看不出不变对→错错→对(自我纠错)错→另一种错
← 100% →错→对
第 1→2 步
69.217.99.4
0.9
第 2→3 步
41.949.67.7
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第 3→4 步
22.270.16.8
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6.869.223.1
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0.9% 就是 117 对里的 1 对,只在第 1→2、3→4 步各出现一次;第 4 步以后为 0,后半程九成不动(原文)。

变了,也多半是换成另一个错答案

VGI-Bench 图 6:早期解码帧 vs 最终输出
第 2 步
第 2/40 步
第 40 步
第 40/40 步

挑出唯一不同的那枚拿走:第 2 步就伸向右边一枚(错的,不同的是左上第 2 枚),最后拿走的还是它

第 3 步
第 3/40 步
第 40 步
第 40/40 步

迷宫:第 3 步小车已经翻墙去够红格,最终输出是同一条翻墙路线

按表 7 换算:702 对里变了 102 次,95 次是错→另一种错,5 次对→错,2 次错→对。

两篇都看到答案在前几步就定了;第 14 篇的例子是真的,只是少见。VGI-Bench 数的是写实题,这几个模型本来就很少做对(严格成功率 Wan2.2 2.3%、VBVR-Wan2.2 11.0%),抽象题上还没人数过。

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同组升级前作:题更深、换规则打分,外部基准全部超过 VBVR 版

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要多步推理的任务(%)
逐个任务判断 · 附录 C.4
VBVR 改写来的150 个里 10 个
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新设计的150 个里 70 个
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盲评 150 对(新旧各一个,前后顺序各评一次)
新题更深 113 对旧题更深 20 对两次不一致 17 对
113 对20 对17 对
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每个任务抽 50 张题目帧 · 第 2.3 节
VBVR 改写来的
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第 13 篇的 150 个任务改写保留,再新设计 150 个(数独、五子棋这类要多步搜索,任务样例)。留出 50 个任务只做测试。

迁移:别人的基准上涨得多

同一个 Wan2.2 底座,拿到别人的基准上(论文表 7)
原版VBVR 微调(第 13 篇)VBVR-Pro 微调
0204060V-ReasonBench · 原版:10.2110.2V-ReasonBench · VBVR 微调(第 13 篇):18.0518.1V-ReasonBench · VBVR-Pro 微调:38.2238.2V-ReasonBench第 8 篇MME-CoF-Pro · 原版:24.7624.8MME-CoF-Pro · VBVR 微调(第 13 篇):34.1334.1MME-CoF-Pro · VBVR-Pro 微调:48.3948.4MME-CoF-Pro第 15 篇VideoThinkBench · 原版:25.7125.7VideoThinkBench · VBVR 微调(第 13 篇):30.7230.7VideoThinkBench · VBVR-Pro 微调:52.8652.9VideoThinkBench第 4 篇 · mini
标准答案
标准答案
黄点画出路线
原版 Wan2.2
原版 Wan2.2
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VBVR 微调
VBVR 微调
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VBVR-Pro 微调
VBVR-Pro 微调
到了红旗,途中跳过墙

7 个外部基准全部高于 VBVR 版,图里是涨得最多的三个;RISE-Video 只多 0.24。下排是没见过的 15×15 迷宫。

裁判:换成规则打分

同一批视频再判一次,分数变了的样本(%)
温度设为 0 · 论文表 2
规则打分
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GLM-4.6V-Flash
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Gemma4-31B
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Qwen3.7-plus
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Gemini-3.1-Pro
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VBVR-Pro-Wan2.2-TI2V-5B · 论文表 8
起点
0.470
再做一轮 SFT
0.503
RL · VLM 当奖励
0.508
RL · 规则当奖励
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VLM 裁判温度设 0 也判不稳(三种错)。规则打分当 RL 奖励,比 VLM 当奖励多涨 0.04。

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3D 续写题:重画整段的模型排前两名

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  • 14 个模型、20 人两两盲评(排行榜):前两名 Wan 3.0 Prime、MiniMax H3 都把输入当参考、重画整段;在原视频上逐帧改的编辑类,7 个里有 6 个挤在第 5–12 名
  • 作者用 150 万条合成视频微调 Cosmos3-Nano,排第三、续写类第一;微调前的 Cosmos3-Nano 没测,论文也说差距不能全归功于数据
  • 六类典型错:物体挡完凭空冒出、揭错杯子、球穿过只有它一半大的孔

和 VBVR(第 13 篇) 那种单张二维首帧不同,这里给一段 3D 视频让模型接着演(对比);不用 VLM 判分,因为VLM 自己就缺物体恒存。

20 人两两盲评的 Elo(点)和 95% 区间(线),论文表 2
参考生视频:把输入当参考,重画整段续写:把输入当开头,接着往后生成编辑类:在输入那 2.5 秒上逐帧重画
11001300150017001900平均 15001. Wan 3.0 PrimeWan 3.0 Prime:95% 区间 1629.2–1864.9Wan 3.0 Prime:Elo 1723.617242. MiniMax H3MiniMax H3:95% 区间 1644.5–1837.6MiniMax H3:Elo 1723.617243. PWM-WROP(作者微调)PWM-WROP(作者微调):95% 区间 1603.5–1781.5PWM-WROP(作者微调):Elo 1679.516804. Seedance 2.5Seedance 2.5:95% 区间 1554.2–1751.5Seedance 2.5:Elo 1649.616505. Runway Aleph 2Runway Aleph 2:95% 区间 1425.1–1621.6Runway Aleph 2:Elo 1518.315186. Wan-VACE 14BWan-VACE 14B:95% 区间 1429.9–1590.8Wan-VACE 14B:Elo 1506.715077. Gemini Omni Flash 1.1Gemini Omni Flash 1.1:95% 区间 1404.1–1572.9Gemini Omni Flash 1.1:Elo 1492.514928. Kling O3 ProKling O3 Pro:95% 区间 1404.0–1534.0Kling O3 Pro:Elo 1471.314719. Grok Imagine(续写接口)Grok Imagine(续写接口):95% 区间 1362.7–1555.1Grok Imagine(续写接口):Elo 1457.0145710. LTX-2.3 ExtendLTX-2.3 Extend:95% 区间 1363.6–1545.8LTX-2.3 Extend:Elo 1453.4145311. Cosmos3 SuperCosmos3 Super:95% 区间 1318.2–1488.7Cosmos3 Super:Elo 1409.2140912. LTX-2.3 DevLTX-2.3 Dev:95% 区间 1297.7–1482.3LTX-2.3 Dev:Elo 1398.9139913. HY-OmniWeavingHY-OmniWeaving:95% 区间 1159.4–1344.2HY-OmniWeaving:Elo 1268.5126814. MAGI-1 24BMAGI-1 24B:95% 区间 1137.2–1315.6MAGI-1 24B:Elo 1248.01248
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loss 一路平稳下降,推理准确率却很晚才台阶式起跳

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任务:从复原的 2×2×2 魔方出发,提示词给 9 步转动(例如 <F2> <L> <D2> …),模型只拿到首帧和这串动作,自己生成 80 帧;固定相机只拍到 3 个面(真值视频、模型生成的 80 帧)。从零训练 20M 到 1B 共 7 个大小的视频 DiT,每个最多看 800 万条视频,每条只用一次。

(a) Flow MSE训练 loss 本身

怎么测256 条没训过的视频,按训练条件:历史帧给真值,不让模型从头生成

读法先降后平,最后都停在 10⁻³ 附近,像标准的幂律

推断MSE 是整段 latent 的平均,决定对错的贴纸只占一小块(论文没拆)

(b) 帧准确率自己生成,12 张贴纸全对才算

怎么测100 道题 × 9 步 = 900 个停稳的画面,全靠模型自己往下画;程序按位置读颜色

读法先贴着 0,再台阶式起跳;越大起跳越晚、最后越高。0.1 PF-days 时 70M 44.6%、1B 0.3%,1B 到 3.14 才 83.7%

对照 (a)同为 150 万条视频,1B 的 MSE 比 70M 低,帧准确率却是 3.67% vs 41.00%(图 8)

(c) 全程都对9 帧都对,这道题才算对

实测只画 AR:双向模型每个检查点都是 0;AR 最好约 36%(图上读)

外推取算力前沿的中段、末段各拟合一次,到 98%:末段 248.9 PF-days(约 1.2 万 H100 小时),中段 1.425×10¹⁴,差 12 个数量级;作者说只是示意(三个指标的外推)

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一半贴纸看不见、答案唯一,还能把画面、动作、状态分开测

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只看得见一半贴纸

帧准确率(%)· 同一套 270M 设定
只见 3 面6 面全露出
0255075100AR · 只见 3 面:34.67%34.67AR · 6 面全露出:93.44%93.44AR9 步平均AR · 只见 3 面:1%1AR · 6 面全露出:88%88AR第 9 步双向 · 只见 3 面:27.89%27.89双向 · 6 面全露出:42.89%42.89双向9 步平均双向 · 只见 3 面:0%0双向 · 6 面全露出:0%0双向第 9 步
真值第 7 步
真值 · 第 7 步
只见 3 面的预测
只见 3 面 ✗ 8/12
6 面全露出的预测
6 面全露出 ✓ 24/24

相机只拍到 12 张;一转,背面的贴纸就转到前面,要画对得记得它几步前的颜色。迷宫的墙、起点、终点全画在当前帧上(对比表)。改成同时拍前后两面,AR 第 9 步从 1% 到 88%。

答案唯一,也背不下来

9 步动作序列有多少种
横轴取对数
全部序列18 × 15⁸
4.6×10¹⁰
训练视频每个模型最多,只用一次
8×10⁶
测试题都不在训练集里
100
1001051010
真值第 3 步
真值
第 3 步
70M 第 3 步
70M ✓
12/12
真值第 4 步
真值
第 4 步
70M 第 4 步
70M ✗
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程序逐张读颜色:错 1 张,这一帧就算错

每次转动是 24 张贴纸的固定置换,首帧加动作就唯一决定之后每一帧。程序按位置读 12 张贴纸的颜色,不用 VLM 裁判(第 8 篇、第 24 篇都碰到裁判出错);真值视频经 VAE 重建后 100% 读对。

画面、动作、状态分开测

270M · 转 4 步后的同一帧,随训练算力(PF-days)
真值
真值
1.7×10⁻² PF-days
1.7×10⁻²
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3.4×10⁻² PF-days
3.4×10⁻²
形状对、颜色错
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第 9 步:探针看动作,程序读贴纸
真值视频转对探针的上限
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AR 转对面和方向都对
80.6%
AR 整帧全对12 张贴纸
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这道题,形状 3.4×10⁻² PF-days 就画对,12 张全对要到 5.7×10⁻¹,约 17 倍算力。只看光流、不看颜色的探针查动作:第 9 步转对 80.6%,整帧全对只有 0.3%,转对了动作,贴纸照样错。

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换成符号,2.8M 小模型就做对;状态喂回视频,31.1% → 67.3%

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每一步都对的比例(全程准确率)
符号版 · AR2.8M · 20 步
92.81%
符号版 · 双向2.8M · 20 步
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视频版 · AR最好的检查点 · 9 步
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视频版 · 双向每个检查点
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视频版 · 1B实验里最大的一档
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10-410-2100

把画面换成 12×6 的颜色表,同样只给看得见的 12 张。2.8M 参数的 Transformer、10 万道训练题,直接预测:20 步每步都对 92.81%,只用 8×10⁻³ PF-days;视频版最大的 1B 训到 3.14 PF-days,约 400 倍。难点在用像素生成把状态记住。

把预测的状态喂回视频

每一步的帧准确率(%)· 20M AR · 3M 条视频
0255075100123456789第几步纯视频 · 1:100%纯视频 · 2:97%纯视频 · 3:58%纯视频 · 4:20%纯视频 · 5:3%纯视频 · 6:2%纯视频 · 7:0%纯视频 · 8:0%纯视频 · 9:0%━ 纯视频+ 状态(Front12) · 1:100%+ 状态(Front12) · 2:97%+ 状态(Front12) · 3:89%+ 状态(Front12) · 4:81%+ 状态(Front12) · 5:75%+ 状态(Front12) · 6:54%+ 状态(Front12) · 7:39%+ 状态(Front12) · 8:37%+ 状态(Front12) · 9:34%━ + 状态
数值从论文图 9b 读出;9 步平均与正文一致:31.1%、67.3%

20M 视频模型先预测 24 张贴纸的颜色(拿模拟器状态当训练标签),再喂给视频生成:同样 3M 条视频,31.1% → 67.3%,用 0.0445 PF-days,和 550M 纯视频的 67.1%(1.33 PF-days)相当,算力约少 30 倍。

代价

提示词里的动作(论文图 1)
<F2> <L> <D2> <R> <U2> <D> <F2> <U2> <B2>

F 前、B 后、L 左、R 右、U 上、D 下;2 是 180°。模型照着转就行。

考了给定动作,推演魔方会变成什么样:世界模型的状态一致性
没考自己决定怎么转(规划、求解);魔方以外的环境

只有这一个环境,作者也说手工设计的贴纸表示不一定能推广。3×3×3 更常见,论文没说为什么选 2×2×2(推测:没有固定的中心块,每张贴纸都会动;贴纸更大,更好读)。

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一年下来,四件事现在的答案

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不少涨分是语言模型做的:改写器把答案写进提示词,VLM 做规划、当奖励。“视频 + 语言”是否强过纯语言,还没人测过。

  • 关掉改写器,GSM8K 78.4 → 0(第 4 篇)
  • VLM 一步一检查,0.671 → 0.757(第 18 篇)
  • VLM 当奖励,比不优化的基线高 0.115(第 19 篇)

什么算做对

只看结果的成功率是看全程的 2 到 4 倍,VLM 裁判也不稳。严格口径下最好的零样本成绩,一年来都在 5–25%。

想发生在哪

在去噪步上:前几步路线就基本定了;中途改错极少。

  • 某一步给所有帧加噪:0.685 → 0.3 以下;每步加噪一帧:约 0.6(第 14 篇)
  • 第 5 步的轨迹和最终轨迹平均吻合 93%(第 16 篇)
  • 702 对里,错改成对只有 2 次(第 23 篇)

能不能教会

合成数据有效,但会饱和,离训练题越远涨得越少;把输入画得写实就能涨;“画得像”比“状态对”好学得多。

  • 20 万条后停在 0.685,人类 0.974(第 13 篇)
  • 结构和训练题相同 +40.5,不同只 +6.2(第 23 篇)
  • 首帧改写实,41.3% → 59.3%(第 22 篇)
  • 1B 的 MSE 比 70M 低,帧准确率却是 3.67% vs 41.00%(第 26 篇)
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4. A Very Big Video Reasoning Suite (VBVR)

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5. Demystifying Video Reasoning

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6. CollabVR: Collaborative Video Reasoning with Vision-Language and Video Generation Models

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7. VGI-Bench: Probing Visual Intelligence in Video Generation Models

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8. Scaling Video Generation for Reasoning: At What Cost? (Rubik-Scaling)

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  1. Veo3-ZS — https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.20328
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  3. VChain: Chain-of-Visual-Thought for Reasoning in Video Generation — https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.05094
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  5. Are Video Models Ready as Zero-Shot Reasoners? (MME-CoF) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.26802
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  7. Thinking with Video — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.04570
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  9. TiViBench: Benchmarking Think-in-Video Reasoning for Video Generative Models — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.13704
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  11. Can World Simulators Reason? Gen-ViRe — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.13853
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  13. Reasoning via Video (VR-Bench) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.15065
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  15. V-ReasonBench — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.16668
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  17. RULER-Bench — https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.02622
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  19. Video Models Start to Solve Chess, Maze, Sudoku, Mental Rotation, and Raven's Matrices (VMEvalKit) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.05969
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  21. MMGR: Multi-Modal Generative Reasoning Benchmark and Evaluation — https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.14691
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  23. Beyond the Last Frame (VIPER) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.24952
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  25. A Very Big Video Reasoning Suite (VBVR) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.20159
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  27. Demystifying Video Reasoning — https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.16870
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  29. MME-CoF-Pro — https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.20194
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  31. Video Models Reason Early: Exploiting Plan Commitment for Maze Solving (ChEaP) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.30043
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  33. How Far Are Video Models from True Multimodal Reasoning? (CLVG-Bench) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.19193
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  35. CollabVR — https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.08735
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  37. VLMs are Good Teachers for Video Reasoning via Adaptive Test-Time Optimization (VLM-as-Teacher) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.02564
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  39. OpenCoF: Learning to Reason Through Video Generation — https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.08763
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  41. Hierarchical Denoising For Multi-Step Visual Reasoning (HDR) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.15278
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  43. Visual prompt engineering for video models (VIPE) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.25537
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  45. VGI-Bench — https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.19583
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  47. VBVR-Pro: A Scalable and Verifiable Suite for Native Visual Reasoning — https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.26105
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  49. Training Object Permanence in World Models (WROP) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.28654
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  51. Scaling Video Generation for Reasoning: At What Cost? (Rubik-Scaling) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.36599
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Most later papers either build benchmarks to test this claim or argue with its mechanism. +- Main limitation: The paper itself frames its scores as a lower bound; the same team's follow-up (VIPE) raises them by changing only the input image. +- Discussion question: Is "the answer grows frame by frame" a description of the output or of the computation? + +## 2. Thinking with Video: Video Generation as a Promising Multimodal Reasoning Paradigm + +- Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.04570 +- Type: benchmark +- Why important: With Wan 2.5, turning off the API's prompt rewriter drops GSM8K accuracy from 78.4 to 0: the rewritten prompt already contains the answer. +- Role in this topic: Anchors the question of who does the reasoning. Of the 26 papers, 13 used a closed API without mentioning its built-in rewriter. +- Main limitation: Sora-2's rewriter cannot be turned off, so its text-task scores cannot be attributed to the video model. +- Discussion question: Which evaluation settings should be mandatory to report (rewriter on or off, exact prompt sent)? + +## 3. Beyond the Last Frame: Process-aware Evaluation for Generative Video Reasoning (VIPER) + +- Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.24952 +- Type: benchmark +- Why important: Re-judging the same videos on the whole process, with every frame required to obey the rules, cuts success sharply: Sora 2 goes from 47.0% to 23.3%. Across six models, outcome-only success is 2.0 to 4.3 times process success. +- Role in this topic: The clearest evidence that last-frame scoring rewards wrong paths that end in the right place. +- Main limitation: The judge is GPT-5 reading one frame per second against a rubric; VBVR-Pro later shows that VLM judges change their score on 54.6–92.8% of samples when re-run at temperature 0. +- Discussion question: When can a rule-based checker replace a VLM judge, and what is lost? + +## 4. A Very Big Video Reasoning Suite (VBVR) + +- Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.20159 +- Type: benchmark +- Why important: The first million-scale training set. LoRA fine-tuning Wan2.2 raises the VBVR-Bench score from 0.371 to about 0.685, but gains stop after about 200K samples; humans score 0.974. +- Role in this topic: Turns the field from evaluation to training, and shows that synthetic data helps but saturates. +- Main limitation: Unseen tasks stay about 0.15 below seen ones (0.610 vs 0.760). On VGI-Bench's realistic tasks the gain shrinks with distance from the training tasks: +40.5 for the same structure, +17.1 for partly similar, +6.2 for different. +- Discussion question: Is the plateau a data-diversity limit or a model limit? + +## 5. Demystifying Video Reasoning + +- Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.16870 +- Type: theory +- Why important: Decoding the predicted output at each denoising step shows several paths tried early, one chosen in the middle, and details refined late. Adding noise to all frames at one step drops the score from 0.685 to below 0.3, while noising one frame at every step only drops it to about 0.6. +- Role in this topic: Proposes "chain-of-steps" and directly argues against chain-of-frames. +- Main limitation: The analysis uses one fine-tuned model. VGI-Bench later finds that switching from a wrong to a right answer mid-denoising is rare (2 of 702 cases). +- Discussion question: If the plan is fixed early in denoising, should search and verification act on early steps instead of full videos? + +## 6. CollabVR: Collaborative Video Reasoning with Vision-Language and Video Generation Models + +- Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.08735 +- Type: method +- Why important: A VLM plans each step and checks the result while the video model renders it. On VBVR-Bench this raises the score from 0.671 to 0.757 with about three times the generation of a single run, above best-of-4 sampling. +- Role in this topic: Representative of methods whose gains come from combining video with language. +- Main limitation: It reports no baseline where the same language model answers directly, or writes a program that a deterministic renderer draws. +- Discussion question: How much of the gain belongs to the video model? + +## 7. VGI-Bench: Probing Visual Intelligence in Video Generation Models + +- Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.19583 +- Type: benchmark +- Why important: Realistic photographs as inputs, and strict success that requires both completion and no rule violations. The best model, Seedance 2.0, is fully correct on 14.0% of tasks; humans reach 97.1%. +- Role in this topic: Recalibrates the field: strict zero-shot scores have stayed between about 5% and 25% for a year (VR-Bench 5.6%, VIPER 23.3%, VGI-Bench 14%). +- Main limitation: A VLM still scores completion and rule checks from the whole video. +- Discussion question: Which task families show progress, and which show none? + +## 8. Scaling Video Generation for Reasoning: At What Cost? (Rubik-Scaling) + +- Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.36599 +- Type: theory +- Why important: A controlled study of a 2×2×2 cube turned through nine moves with only three faces visible, training video DiTs from 20M to 1B parameters from scratch. Training loss falls smoothly while reasoning accuracy jumps late. After 1.5M videos, the 1B model has lower MSE than the 70M model, yet its frame accuracy is 3.67% versus 41.00%. +- Role in this topic: Separates looking right from tracking the right hidden state. A 2.8M-parameter model that predicts the state symbolically solves the task, and feeding the state back to the video model raises accuracy from 31.1% to 67.3%. +- Main limitation: One synthetic task with a fixed camera. +- Discussion question: Do loss and FVD tell us anything about whether the hidden state is correct? + +## Full paper list + +1. Veo3-ZS — https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.20328 +2. VChain: Chain-of-Visual-Thought for Reasoning in Video Generation — https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.05094 +3. Are Video Models Ready as Zero-Shot Reasoners? (MME-CoF) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.26802 +4. Thinking with Video — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.04570 +5. TiViBench: Benchmarking Think-in-Video Reasoning for Video Generative Models — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.13704 +6. Can World Simulators Reason? Gen-ViRe — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.13853 +7. Reasoning via Video (VR-Bench) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.15065 +8. V-ReasonBench — https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.16668 +9. RULER-Bench — https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.02622 +10. Video Models Start to Solve Chess, Maze, Sudoku, Mental Rotation, and Raven's Matrices (VMEvalKit) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.05969 +11. MMGR: Multi-Modal Generative Reasoning Benchmark and Evaluation — https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.14691 +12. Beyond the Last Frame (VIPER) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.24952 +13. A Very Big Video Reasoning Suite (VBVR) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.20159 +14. Demystifying Video Reasoning — https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.16870 +15. MME-CoF-Pro — https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.20194 +16. Video Models Reason Early: Exploiting Plan Commitment for Maze Solving (ChEaP) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.30043 +17. How Far Are Video Models from True Multimodal Reasoning? (CLVG-Bench) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.19193 +18. CollabVR — https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.08735 +19. VLMs are Good Teachers for Video Reasoning via Adaptive Test-Time Optimization (VLM-as-Teacher) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.02564 +20. OpenCoF: Learning to Reason Through Video Generation — https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.08763 +21. Hierarchical Denoising For Multi-Step Visual Reasoning (HDR) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.15278 +22. Visual prompt engineering for video models (VIPE) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.25537 +23. VGI-Bench — https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.19583 +24. VBVR-Pro: A Scalable and Verifiable Suite for Native Visual Reasoning — https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.26105 +25. Training Object Permanence in World Models (WROP) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.28654 +26. Scaling Video Generation for Reasoning: At What Cost? (Rubik-Scaling) — https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.36599 diff --git a/discussions/2026-10-12-yichang-video-reasoning/summary.html b/discussions/2026-10-12-yichang-video-reasoning/summary.html new file mode 100644 index 0000000..9c98bca --- /dev/null +++ b/discussions/2026-10-12-yichang-video-reasoning/summary.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ + + + + + + Video Reasoning: One Year of Debate in 26 Papers · Topic Summary + + + + +
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Topic overview

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Video reasoning gives a video generation model a first frame and a text instruction, such as a maze with "move the red dot to the green goal", and asks it to draw the solution. Unlike most video generation tasks, the result can be checked objectively. This summary covers 26 papers from 2025-09 to 2026-09, read in publication order.

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Why now?

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In 2025-09, Veo3-ZS claimed that Veo 3 solves such tasks zero-shot. Within three months a dozen benchmarks tested that claim, often reaching opposite conclusions in the same month. In 2026 the first million-scale training set (VBVR) appeared, followed by mechanism studies, VLM-assisted methods and, by 2026-09, stricter benchmarks and controlled scaling studies.

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Method landscape

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Idea map

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The deck closes with four questions and the current evidence for each:

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The source for the graph version is idea-map.md in this entry.

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Three ideas recur. First, separate the outcome from the process, and score the process with rules where possible. Second, the plan forms early in denoising, so selection or verification can act on early predictions instead of finished videos (ChEaP's seed screening and relay raise long-maze success from 7% to 67%). Third, keep the hidden state explicit: hierarchical coarse-to-fine denoising lets a streaming model match a bidirectional one (HDR, 60.3% vs 60.0%), and feeding the cube state back to the video model raises accuracy from 31.1% to 67.3% (Rubik-Scaling).

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Failure cases

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Connections to our research

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CollabVR's plan-render-check loop is close to storyboard planning in multi-shot generation. HDR's streaming results connect to autoregressive and long video generation. WROP and VIPE connect to physics-consistent generation. In WROP, edit models occupy most of the middle of the leaderboard, which matters for video editing. The evaluation questions continue the earlier discussion From Video Scores to World Consistency.

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Central claim: Much of the measured progress comes from language channels (rewriters, planners, reward questions) and from lenient outcome-only scoring; under strict process checks, the best zero-shot video models stay between about 5% and 25%.
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Hidden assumption: Most papers assume the score measures the video backbone. Closed APIs rewrite prompts, VLM planners and judges inject or decide answers, and 13 of the 26 papers used closed APIs without mentioning the built-in rewriter.
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Failure boundary: Methods fail when the task requires tracking hidden state over many steps (long mazes, multi-turn edits, occlusion, cube faces out of view), and when inputs move away from the synthetic training distribution.
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Connection: The same hidden-state question appears in long video, multi-shot and world-model work: does the model keep the state, or only keep the appearance?
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Concrete experiment: On one task set with rule-based scoring, compare three systems with the same language model: the language model answers directly; it writes a program that a deterministic renderer draws; and the video-plus-language system. No paper reports these two baselines.
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Discussion seed: Is "video reasoning" a property of the video model, or of the whole system around it?
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  1. Does video plus language beat language alone on any task family, under the same checker?
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  3. Which reporting rules should be mandatory: rewriter state, exact prompt, judge model and temperature?
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  5. If the plan is fixed within the first few denoising steps, where should search, verification and training signals act?
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  7. Why do synthetic-data gains saturate around 200K samples: limited task diversity, or limited model capacity?
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  9. Can loss, FVD or other training signals predict whether the hidden state is correct?
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A small diagnostic benchmark that keeps the task fixed and varies only the channel that carries the answer (rewriter on or off, plan given or not, state given or not), scored by rules. A second direction: early-step verification for long-horizon generation, building on the finding that plans commit early.

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2026-09-28 · Peiyuan Zhu

Video Editing Frontiers

A survey of video editing mechanisms and controllable changes, with method deep dives, interactive examples, and open problems in object interaction, editing history, world models, agents, and evaluation.

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2026-10-12 · Yichang Jian

Video Reasoning: One Year of Debate in 26 Papers

A chronological walk through 26 video-reasoning papers (2025-09 to 2026-09), organized around four contested questions: who does the reasoning, what counts as correct, where the reasoning happens, and whether it can be taught.

before-meeting video-generation video-reasoning benchmark evaluation world-model

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2026-09-28 · Peiyuan Zhu

Video Editing Frontiers

A survey of video editing mechanisms and controllable changes, with method deep dives, interactive examples, and open problems in object interaction, editing history, world models, agents, and evaluation.

before-meeting video-editing action-editing world-model agents benchmark

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2026-08-24 · Yuxin Wang

Physics-Consistent Video Generation: Who Teaches the Generator Physics?

A design-space view of how simulators, explicit controls, training signals, latent dynamics, and inference-time alignment can make generated videos obey real-world physical laws, and what current benchmarks can actually establish.

before-meeting video-generation physics-consistency world-model controllable-generation benchmark evaluation

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2026-08-10 · Yichang Jian

From Video Scores to World Consistency

A data-backed discussion of how video-generation evaluation moves from perceptual proxy scores toward geometric, revisit, and out-of-sight world consistency.

before-meeting video-generation world-model benchmark evaluation

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2026-07-20 · Jinyuan Hu

Multi-Shot Video Generation: From Joint Denoising to Online Directing

A technical map of multi-shot video generation, organized by how shots are generated and how history enters the model: holistic joint denoising, shot-level autoregression, causal streaming, and system-level directing.

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2026-09-28 · Peiyuan Zhu

Video Editing Frontiers

A survey of video editing mechanisms and controllable changes, with method deep dives, interactive examples, and open problems in object interaction, editing history, world models, agents, and evaluation.

before-meeting video-editing action-editing world-model agents benchmark

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2026-08-24 · Yuxin Wang

Physics-Consistent Video Generation: Who Teaches the Generator Physics?

A design-space view of how simulators, explicit controls, training signals, latent dynamics, and inference-time alignment can make generated videos obey real-world physical laws, and what current benchmarks can actually establish.

before-meeting video-generation physics-consistency world-model controllable-generation benchmark evaluation

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2026-08-10 · Yichang Jian

From Video Scores to World Consistency

A data-backed discussion of how video-generation evaluation moves from perceptual proxy scores toward geometric, revisit, and out-of-sight world consistency.

before-meeting video-generation world-model benchmark evaluation

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2026-10-12 · Yichang Jian

Video Reasoning: One Year of Debate in 26 Papers

A chronological walk through 26 video-reasoning papers (2025-09 to 2026-09), organized around four contested questions: who does the reasoning, what counts as correct, where the reasoning happens, and whether it can be taught.

before-meeting video-generation video-reasoning benchmark evaluation world-model

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2026-09-28 · Peiyuan Zhu

Video Editing Frontiers

A survey of video editing mechanisms and controllable changes, with method deep dives, interactive examples, and open problems in object interaction, editing history, world models, agents, and evaluation.

before-meeting video-editing action-editing world-model agents benchmark

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2026-08-24 · Yuxin Wang

Physics-Consistent Video Generation: Who Teaches the Generator Physics?

A design-space view of how simulators, explicit controls, training signals, latent dynamics, and inference-time alignment can make generated videos obey real-world physical laws, and what current benchmarks can actually establish.

before-meeting video-generation physics-consistency world-model controllable-generation benchmark evaluation

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